Curse

AndrewSX · Apr 11, 2011, 05:32 PM // 17:32

A question for tactic:
What can u do if someone decide to camp your corpse?

My whole team wasted they resses before understand that a BB+dagger War was having fun to kill me 2 secs after revived(2 secs spent KDed by me, which wasn't then able to blind/block or anything was able to do generally as ele).
How can u counter this?

P.S: do not die would be the best protection from it i guess, but it isn't much help

9tails · Apr 11, 2011, 05:38 PM // 17:38

Quote:

Originally Posted by AndrewSX

A question for tactic:
What can u do if someone decide to camp your corpse?

My whole team wasted they resses before understand that a BB+dagger War was having fun to kill me 2 secs after revived(2 secs spent KDed by me, which wasn't then able to blind/block or anything was able to do generally as ele).
How can u counter this?

P.S: do not die would be the best protection from it i guess, but it isn't much help

Lose and requeue. Or bring anti-KD/melee. Or have better teammates (which is another way to phrase 'lose and requeue').

deluxe · Apr 11, 2011, 06:08 PM // 18:08

Having some kind of self-defense in the form of a stance or return is better than any self-heal.
Most people don't seem to realize this.

AndrewSX · Apr 11, 2011, 07:56 PM // 19:56

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Originally Posted by deluxe

Having some kind of self-defense in the form of a stance or return is better than any self-heal.
Most people don't seem to realize this.

In fac some self-defence is always in my bar. The problem is that i hadn't even time to get up that i was dead.
I was using Shield of force in that match, but it can't be casted KDed...which makes me think:"Why didn't i took Shield bash?"(Self response:"Too lazy to swich weapon sets").
Actually, the only self heal i've ever used is Aura of Resto i think.

Fate Crusher · Apr 11, 2011, 10:31 PM // 22:31

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Originally Posted by AndrewSX

In fac some self-defence is always in my bar. The problem is that i hadn't even time to get up that i was dead.
I was using Shield of force in that match, but it can't be casted KDed...which makes me think:"Why didn't i took Shield bash?"(Self response:"Too lazy to swich weapon sets").
Actually, the only self heal i've ever used is Aura of Resto i think.

Your team mates should have seen it and linebacked for you to take the pressure off.

Thing is, he's effectively making it a 3v3 situation because he's taking you out but also himself, since he's camping you for his BB chain. Your team is busy ressing you but his is free to bash them senseless.

As for yourself, Mirage Cloak maybe? I don't know how viable it is anymore, but it answers your weapon swap problem.
But as a midline, I'd have to recommend either Prot defense of Disciplined stance. Even Bonetti's if you remember to charge it. I'm seeing a good few mesmers using Bonnetti's a lot more now.

I Jonas I · Apr 12, 2011, 01:04 AM // 01:04

you should have enough armor and health that a character cannot just kill you directly after you res. Duh. Using stances is good, too. When you get up, heal yourself and move on with your life

AndrewSX · Apr 12, 2011, 06:52 AM // 06:52

Back-Breaker from a War->4sec KD->sin chain->death.

Now, i'm aware that i'm not at all a pro pvper, but do not see much things to do when you're ressed already KDed....

Ariena Najea · Apr 12, 2011, 07:54 AM // 07:54

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Originally Posted by AndrewSX

Back-Breaker from a War->4sec KD->sin chain->death.

Now, i'm aware that i'm not at all a pro pvper, but do not see much things to do when you're ressed already KDed....

Hammers take 1.75 to swing, or just under 1.2 seconds under Flail (if he activated on a non kd target...). You should be paying attention to your teammates res usage and act accordingly. If you were running Air, you should have Blinded the W/A. If you were running Water, you should have Blurred him. If you were running Mind Blast or an Earth build, that's unfortunate.

Except that the above is moot since you had a skill that would have prevented Backbreaker, weakened the W/A, and knocked him down giving you time to kite away. Watch the field (ie a W/A using Backbreaker on you) and use skills accordingly.

HigherMinion · Apr 12, 2011, 10:18 PM // 22:18

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Originally Posted by Ariena Najea

Earth build, that's unfortunate.

Stoning+YAA is a pretty cool guy.

aefghuys · May 07, 2011, 01:18 AM // 01:18

Figured i'd go ahead and throw in a fun build i've been using...

W/D

1.Dismember
2.Symbolic Strike
3.Keen Chop
4.Disrupting Chop
5.Onslaught(E)
6.Signet of Pious Restraint
7.Signet of Strength
8.Rez Sig

Notes: dont strip onslaught with SoPR. can replace dis chop with other skills, but ive had most success with that. I've been called noob numerous times when using sig of strength before battle, but that 6-8 combo works great with symbolic strike, have fun!!!!

Sk8tborderx · May 07, 2011, 01:58 AM // 01:58

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Originally Posted by aefghuys

Figured i'd go ahead and throw in a fun build i've been using...

W/D

1.Dismember
2.Symbolic Strike bad
3.Keen Chop bad
4.Disrupting Chop
5.Onslaught(E)
6.Signet of Pious Restraint bad
7.Signet of Strength bad
8.Rez Sig

Notes: dont strip onslaught with SoPR. can replace dis chop with other skills, but ive had most success with that. I've been called noob numerous times when using sig of strength before battle, but that 6-8 combo works great with symbolic strike, have fun!!!!

Reasons those skills are bad:
Symbolic strike - Not worth it unless you have 3 signets, and you are a gimp warrior if you take 3 signets.
Keen chop - This skill is only good for 1 thing, wasting adrenaline. You should be landing criticals often enough with 13-14 axe mastery and your enemies kiting. Players also have more armor now then in the past so +damage is more important then criticals since it is armor-ignoring.
Signet of pious restraint - It removes onslaught, keeps you stationary for 1 3/4 seconds. It only gets worse if you don't remove onslaught for faster recharge. Bulls strike is a million times better.
Signet of strength - This skill is just terrible no matter what build you put it on. I would honestly rather see someone run mending over this crap skill.

That build makes a warrior about as effective as someone playing with only 1 arm, it is seriously that bad.

aefghuys · May 07, 2011, 02:33 AM // 02:33

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Originally Posted by Sk8tborderx

Reasons those skills are bad:
Symbolic strike - Not worth it unless you have 3 signets, and you are a gimp warrior if you take 3 signets.
Keen chop - This skill is only good for 1 thing, wasting adrenaline. You should be landing criticals often enough with 13-14 axe mastery and your enemies kiting. Players also have more armor now then in the past so +damage is more important then criticals since it is armor-ignoring.
Signet of pious restraint - It removes onslaught, keeps you stationary for 1 3/4 seconds. It only gets worse if you don't remove onslaught for faster recharge. Bulls strike is a million times better.
Signet of strength - This skill is just terrible no matter what build you put it on. I would honestly rather see someone run mending over this crap skill.

That build makes a warrior about as effective as someone playing with only 1 arm, it is seriously that bad.

well i always welcome input, having a lot of success with it, although i might try it without keen chop.
People dont be afraid to post fun, successful builds you use in RA, a lot of times most people won't agree with your skillset but its the build that works for you!

FoxBat · May 07, 2011, 02:42 AM // 02:42

It's successful because it auto-attacks under primal. Once you get past dismember and interrupts it matters less what adrenal axe skills you bring. But there's definitely room for improvement.

aefghuys · May 07, 2011, 03:13 AM // 03:13

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Originally Posted by FoxBat

It's successful because it auto-attacks under primal. Once you get past dismember and interrupts it matters less what adrenal axe skills you bring. But there's definitely room for improvement.

totally open to ideas for improvement!
to respond to other: i want onslaught to be my only energy skill, even adding bulls strike is too much energy...but i can usually successfully maintain onslaught throughout an entire RA match(again USUALLY)...do not remove onslaught with SoPR(i dont care about SoPR recharging fast, its mainly there for ss, but can also be very helpful sometimes in between onslaughts)...these low adrenaline skills allow me to spike constantly, which is huge in RA esp when blind is so prevalent.
Not a pvx person myself when it comes to RA(yea i know, the game is 6 years old everything has been thought of)
So, basically i love it for the super low adrenaline spike, with constant spikes(get over the sigs and try it!)

yum · May 07, 2011, 04:27 AM // 04:27

Use a zealous axe.

Sk8tborderx · May 07, 2011, 07:22 AM // 07:22

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Originally Posted by aefghuys

well i always welcome input, having a lot of success with it, although i might try it without keen chop.
People dont be afraid to post fun, successful builds you use in RA, a lot of times most people won't agree with your skillset but its the build that works for you!

I have no problems with people running fun builds. I only really monk in RA, sometimes I like to go in with SoD, AoF, RC, LS, or boon prot, instead of Healing Burst. I also realize that I am gimping myself by doing so, depending on whats popular at the time.

Overall to offer suggestions to improve the build:
Remove the 4 skills I listed in my previous post
Add bulls strike, executioners strike, and test of faith
Use a zealous axe for energy

That leaves you with a slot to mess around with. If you want a cripple, I would take axe rake.

Ariena Najea · May 07, 2011, 08:48 AM // 08:48

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Originally Posted by Sk8tborderx

I have no problems with people running fun builds. I only really monk in RA, sometimes I like to go in with SoD, AoF, RC, LS, or boon prot, instead of Healing Burst. I also realize that I am gimping myself by doing so, depending on whats popular at the time.

Overall to offer suggestions to improve the build:
Remove the 4 skills I listed in my previous post
Add bulls strike, executioners strike, and test of faith
Use a zealous axe for energy

That leaves you with a slot to mess around with. If you want a cripple, I would take axe rake.

Test of Faith is an interesting (and probably awesome) choice. but there are better options for axe bars than Axe Rake if you are bringing Onslaught since you can already train down most targets. I would go with Agonizing Chop assuming you are good with interrupts, or Twin Moon Sweep for when Monks hit Bonetti's and expect you to leave (follow up with Test of Faith). You don't get any bonus damage from the latter, but both attacks still get your armor penetration. Alternatively if you are not going for glad points but rather just to win (ie zquest farm) you can bring Vow of Piety or Pious Restoration for some durability on teams without a Monk.

Sk8tborderx · May 07, 2011, 10:27 AM // 10:27

Axe rake was a random suggestion really. Onslaught just feels awkward on an axe warrior to me. You are almost limited to only onslaught and bulls strike for energy based skills.

Onslaught sword warrior has some decent synergies. something like:
Barbarous Slice
Gash
Sun and Moon Slash (recommended) -or- Final Thrust
Knee Cutter
Bulls Strike
Onslaught
Harriers Grasp
Rez Sig

That was thrown together with little thought, and it causes an insane amount of pressure. The axe bar feels weak in comparison.

urania · May 07, 2011, 10:29 AM // 10:29

Quote:

Originally Posted by aefghuys

Figured i'd go ahead and throw in a fun build i've been using...

W/D

1.Dismember
2.Symbolic Strike
3.Keen Chop
4.Disrupting Chop
5.Onslaught(E)
6.Signet of Pious Restraint
7.Signet of Strength
8.Rez Sig

Notes: dont strip onslaught with SoPR. can replace dis chop with other skills, but ive had most success with that. I've been called noob numerous times when using sig of strength before battle, but that 6-8 combo works great with symbolic strike, have fun!!!!

Any good monk seeing Signet of strenght at the start of the match (and the other gems halfway into the match) -> /leave team after the match is over.

dig up the original prage bar and exchange prage with onslaught. viola, you just got yourself a proper bar. unless you prefer playing for lolz.

Ariena Najea · May 07, 2011, 05:06 PM // 17:06

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Originally Posted by Sk8tborderx

Axe rake was a random suggestion really. Onslaught just feels awkward on an axe warrior to me. You are almost limited to only onslaught and bulls strike for energy based skills.

Onslaught sword warrior has some decent synergies. something like:
Barbarous Slice
Gash
Sun and Moon Slash (recommended) -or- Final Thrust
Knee Cutter
Bulls Strike
Onslaught
Harriers Grasp
Rez Sig

That was thrown together with little thought, and it causes an insane amount of pressure. The axe bar feels weak in comparison.

Sun and Moon may not be the greatest choice since you don't have a conjure or high strength, but I am not sure what would take its place without slowing adrenaline gain. Bull's Strike should probably be replaced here for Savage Slash. You are better off training targets with Onslaught and Cripple (and being able to rupt Guardian) than spiking off a kd with Bull's.